Curse

strcpy · Feb 02, 2007, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

A) Lyssa has none of those available so your point is moot in the context of this thread.

B) A dervish without wild blow makes baby jesus cry.

C) Any dervish worth their salt will bring Mystic Regen which makes Price of Failure and Spirit of Failure mere annoyances,nothing serious.

I rather took the original question and that guys post on how to beat the Acolyte of Lyssa - not play against it in PvP. I know they used the term "avatar", though I've seen the question asked countless times mean "acolyte".

As such, "stances that block and evade", "whole party enchantments like aegis, ward against melee, etc." work quite well for mitigating damage from her. She doesn't have wild blow, while Baby Jesus may be crying because of that, that's the way the game is. Even if PvP there are builds that aren't /w and do not use Wild Blow (probably more so if the new recharge stays - though breaking stances and a crit is still nice).

"Hexes like Price of Failure and Spirit of Failure" *do* kill PvE AI dervishes quite fast. Acolyte of Lyssa is quite susceptible to them. Probably not my favorite two for anti-melee, but they do work (though if she is hitting you while you are bunched up, add in blind, I bet the damage can accumulate quickly).

I never saw Avatar of Lyssa as that effective in PvP, just plain old Dervish counters work on them. Nothing wrong with it, decent +damage/pressure especially against casters with long skill activation times, just that it doesn't seem to need a special counter. The Acolyte is especially hard because of double damage/half recharge of her skills - she can wipe a party quite quickly. I found it one of the harder avatars to cap, it was generally a surprise and took a skill change and a second try.

Star Naiad · Feb 02, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by strcpy

I rather took the original question and that guys post on how to beat the Acolyte of Lyssa - not play against it in PvP. I know they used the term "avatar", though I've seen the question asked countless times mean "acolyte".

As such, "stances that block and evade", "whole party enchantments like aegis, ward against melee, etc." work quite well for mitigating damage from her. She doesn't have wild blow, while Baby Jesus may be crying because of that, that's the way the game is. Even if PvP there are builds that aren't /w and do not use Wild Blow (probably more so if the new recharge stays - though breaking stances and a crit is still nice).

"Hexes like Price of Failure and Spirit of Failure" *do* kill PvE AI dervishes quite fast. Acolyte of Lyssa is quite susceptible to them. Probably not my favorite two for anti-melee, but they do work (though if she is hitting you while you are bunched up, add in blind, I bet the damage can accumulate quickly).

I never saw Avatar of Lyssa as that effective in PvP, just plain old Dervish counters work on them. Nothing wrong with it, decent +damage/pressure especially against casters with long skill activation times, just that it doesn't seem to need a special counter. The Acolyte is especially hard because of double damage/half recharge of her skills - she can wipe a party quite quickly. I found it one of the harder avatars to cap, it was generally a surprise and took a skill change and a second try.

Thank for the info, i will try put it to use. Lets see how it turns out..

strcpy · Feb 03, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Star Naiad

Thank for the info, i will try put it to use. Lets see how it turns out..

Eh? If those particular skills work thank NinjaKai - I was just pointing out that there were two different arguments. I figured you were asking how to deal with the Acolyte of Lyssa in PvE and you were getting advice on how to counter a Dervish using the Avatar of Lyssa in PvP. It is irrelevant that most PvP Dervishes bring Wild Blow and mystic regen out heals those hexes in killing the Acolyte as she doesn't have wild blow or mystic regen.

Personally, I whacked her with Spiteful Spirit/reckless haste along with backfire and empathy and some enchant stripping. I tanked her with my dervish and didn't activate any skills (other than 1/4-1/2 second cast self heals - low chance of her hitting with the insane damage) and let a prot monk mitigate the damage. If you are with a team of humans you could probably do better with a warrior stance tank - but I was capping it with my Dervish and hench/heroes, just make sure that your caster stay away from her and *you* take the damage. And do not activate skills, use you heroes/hench to keep you alive - you can fine control your heroes so use it to you advantage in cases like this.

Venerac · Feb 04, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

prot spirit + mystic regen + other enchants FTW!